^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Board: NEWS BB ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Topic: IN THE NEWS... ^^^^^^^^^^^^ =============== Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 04/22 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 9:31 PM Hey Bruce, it seems some shadowy power pulled the plug on this subject. Can't figure out why. Fear? Anger? Lunacy? I was just getting warmed up and was hoping for a little discussion on the age old debate about whether we're a democracy or a republic. That distinction used to have some relevance and I sided with the strict definition of repre- sentational government, but the POPULAR notion is democracy and we can live with that, at least its still freedom. But there is no use arguing about exactly which angels comprise a government when the demons of the oligarchy have us pinned down and surrounded, and dancing to the snappy tunes of the New World Order. =============== Reply 1 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 04/23 From: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Time: 0:51 AM I scanned that last thread, the one they yanked the plug on, and I may not understand your position very well, but it seems that you feel threatened by some unknown group who command wealth and power in America. Please tell us who these people are. What cohesive club do they belong to? And Rick, if they are so bad, why do the poor and powerless from all over the globe risk life and limb just to be in this country? You also seem surprised to have discovered that the U.S. is not a pure democracy. Who ever suggested it was? Where else can a Steve Jobs, a Tiger Woods, or (God forbid) a Bill Clinton rise from humble circumstances to the power elite?>> In other words -- what exactly is your problem? Richard =============== Reply 2 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 04/23 From: KSTC50D C LIBERTY WEST Time: 4:01 PM You're right. Until there is total ability to vote on every issue, this is merely a 'Democratic REPUBLIC.' Someday, perhaps that will change. =============== Reply 3 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 04/24 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 0:11 AM Anyone can rise from humble beginnings to the power elite simply by his willingness to sell out his own People. Ron Brown is an example of this. George Orwell pointed out that the State is made secure by rendering its potential enemies harmless by allowing them to rise. Once the ruling class has captured a bright someone from the masses by allowing him or her wealth, power and fame it becomes unlikely that person will ever do harm to the interests of the State. =============== Reply 4 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 04/27 From: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Time: 3:37 PM You didn't answer my question. =============== Reply 5 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: KSTC50D C LIBERTY WEST Date: 04/27 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 8:23 PM There will never be "total ability to vote on every issue." We need to keep the Republican form but have leaders who are on the side of the People, not the special interests and foreign dictators who now bribe the current officeholders. =============== Reply 6 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 04/27 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 8:23 PM Sorry Charlie, but which question (singular) was that? Can't be the "unknown group who command wealth and power." They're not unknown, they fill the business pages every day. Maybe OLIGARCHY is a word not in your vocabulary. Think. (For yourself.) You don't seem to understand about the poor and powerless. They flee criminal regimes that are often, even usually, supported by the corrupt U.S. government. They can live unmolested here and plot the liberation of their homeland. Revolution is legal in America. Everywhere else its a crime. =============== Reply 7 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 04/28 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 7:55 PM Rick: Who are these powerless people who are not represented? Special Interests and foreign dictators are "people" too. I am all for hearing what they have to say. I think your basic beef is that we have an election system which favors the haves against the have nots. (Since, you contend, the HAVES seem to have all the money.) That is, however, not so. As the "haves" gain more an more money, there are more "have nots" who have not.That increases their voting power enormously. So................. the solution to all your complaints seems to be in taking away as much as possible from the middle class to increase the size of the voting bloc which is now penniless and powerless. The larger they grow the more votes they can muster. I would think you would be cheerier, since that seems to be the direction in which we are headed. Bruce =============== Reply 8 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 04/28 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 8:56 PM Sure, Bruce, everyone's a "people," but the government is supposed to represent the "People." Its the law. The Constitution. Preamble. "We the People." ALL the People. Not just those who have the wealth to push to the head of the line, or buy a place there. Any deviation from the Constitution to give special aid and comfort to the rich and powerful only subverts its INTENT. The intent is quite clear. Read the Preamble. The largest voting bloc is now the non-voters who have withdrawn their consent to be governed. They have seen the fraud in the system and refuse to participate. More power to them! =============== Reply 9 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 04/29 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 5:28 AM Cant understand your point of view at all, Rick. Those who do not participate in the system do not have any more right to complain about it not working. They assure that it wont work. The battle is clearly between "King Dollars" (as you picture him) and "King Numbers" as de Toqueville called these silent masses. Obviously if the numbers dont vote the ==$$ buck $$== stops right there. Bruce =============== Reply 10 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 04/29 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:01 PM Non-participation in the system is the American equivalent of "voting with their feet." America is the last, best hope of humanity, the end of the line. Last stop for freedom. No more alternatives. No more flight, just surrender or fight. Withdrawing our consent to be governed by not voting is a 100% Right we have under the First Amendment. This is how the MAJORITY of Americans now choose to relate to their governments. The People resent being played for fools. Just yesterday the Supreme Court in a decision written by Herr Rehnquist effectively banned "fusion" tickets, the endorsement by several parties of the same candidate for an office. His reason was "political stability is best served through a healthy two-party system." To the current court the protection of the corrupt major parties is more important than allowing the freest excercise of political association possible. The court is excluding from the political process the right to free association that the Constitution guarantees. A political party is now forbidden from endorsing a candidate who has been picked by another party and so has been denied its right to endorse the candidate of its choice. No wonder we don't vote anymore =============== Reply 11 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 04/30 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 5:10 AM Rick: Interesting polemic distortion: No voting is equivalent to a vote against voting. Is that how it goes? Gingrich pulled a similar stunt a few years back when the electorate ...sick and tired of politicians in general..voted dozens of democrats OUT. Newt whipped out some contract no one had ever read and screamed "MANDATE!" It worked for him, why not for you? Bruce =============== Reply 12 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 04/30 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:06 PM Bruce, This is how it goes: The MAJORITY of eligible voters in America no longer vote, even in Presidential elections. They don't trust the government or the money drenched political process. Its like cheating on your wife: it proves the honeymoon is over. If the majority of the People don't trust the government that government is no longer legitimate and needs to be overthrown. Its simple logic. You may recall Dan Rather reporting a CBS News/New York Times poll in November 1993: 75% of Americans don't believe the Warren Commission Report. 50% of Americans SPECIFICALLY named the CIA as being behind the assassination. Pretty hair-raising, huh? Maybe this is the same 50% who no longer vote. In any event, how can a government continue when at least half the population sees it as murdering its own democratically elected leader? =============== Reply 13 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 05/01 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 3:31 AM Rick, I suppose, lacking any information at all, it is possible to read any motive into any action. It seems equally likely....no, I am understating....much more likely, that people who do not vote do not give a damn. It is difficult for me to believe that revolutions are started by people who do not give a damn. People who care, vote. They speechify, and they demonstrate, and they burn their whatsis in the street. The last time I saw a demonstration of people caring about anything was the anti vietnam demonstrations, and even THEN, (and also during the Civil Rights protests) people expressed their "activism" largely by SITTING. We no longer "stand up" for our rights, we SIT for them. You see what you hope to see. You see what you want to see. If you saw what is out there for all to see you would see a country that is totally apathetic and indifferent, unable to understand most of what is going on, distracted by a thousand trivial notions, and cynically convinced that there is no difference in the politicians, no matter what they say. Americans do not even consider revolution. Those who have the most stimulus to revolt have no program but self indulgence. Remember the riots in Watts and South Central Los Angele? I do. The "rioters" rioted primarily so as to be able to gain access to stores so that they could loot and pillage. You see a "movement" in this? The only movement I could see was a movement away from the cops and out of sight. I like theories, but not when they run so counter to real life experience as to have lost their grounding in fact. A mob is a mob is a mob. Bruce =============== Reply 14 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/01 From: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Time: 10:45 PM Rick and Bruce you are both partly right. Rick is right that there are increasiing numbers of Americans who are fed up with government, and that special interests, from the Sierra club to the NRA are too powerful, and that the only those whores who are willing to sell their soul to these interests can get elected any more. Bruce is right that apathy rather than revolutionary fervor is the main thing motivating (or failing to motivate) most Americans. But Rick, your perspective is strangely warped. The Constitution you profess to love was written and adopted by the very power elite you say you abhor. Your talk of revolution and bringing down the government sounds >>>>> sounds far more like Tim McVeigh than Thomas Jefferson. Do you approve of what McVeigh did? RAS =============== Reply 15 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/02 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 4:09 AM Richard, Probably not the best strategy to address questions to Rick in posts addressed to me. He just may not read letters addressed to me from third parties. The more's the pity, since I guess your question is a pretty basic one. One hears all shades of politics on this board, but few, in my experience, advocate revolution. Rick seems to be of the "It's-broken,-let's-kill-it" school. That seems to be a bit beyond the "fed up" stage, as you describe it. I agree with your assessment of the influence of power groups in the government. How did you like my campaign reform suggestion....NO disclosure, with all contributions for political purposes addressed to a sort of escrow trust with the names of the contributors forever hidden. That way, all contributions will be made with no expectation of buying influence, yet people will be able to endorse financially those candidates with whom they are in agreement. I think it is a SUPER idea, and the only argument against it so far is that you might not be able to trust the umpire. I suspect with a 20 year prison term staring down his throat, you can trust him. Bruce =============== Reply 16 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/03 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:21 PM Richard, (and Bruce- if he happens to be tuned in) the Constitution I love means what it says, as does the Declaration of Independence. These documents, unique in the history of humanity, grant the People the RIGHT and the MEANS to overthrow the power elite. They form a suicide clause: If we leaders ever stop performing our DUTY, take us out! The American Compact is based on trust. Those who set it in motion knew they wouldn't be around forever to guide it so they created a rational system that would be self-regulating and if some catastrophe of corruption were to befall it, a poison pill would kick in. The Right to Revolution in the Declaration, and the Means to its fulfillment in the Second Amendment, is the Magic Bullet bequeathed to US as a Nation by a Generation of Genius the likes of which this old planet had never experienced before, and has yet to experience again. It would be foolish indeed to sacrifice this legacy because of some act of madness, as Tim McVeigh is accused. Such an event accomplishes nothing but antagonism and bad publicity, and, as we have seen, can be used as a propaganda tool to discredit a Movement MUCH broader than Tim could imagine. From what I've heard of McVeigh, he apparently had a person- ality change while serving in Operation Desert Storm. I know that was a big theater of operation and the nerve gas dump we blew up MAY not have been near McVeigh, but residue and other secondary contact can and does affect many others far away from its original concentration. In other words, McVeigh, and Oklahoma City, may have been victims of Iraqi nerve gas. This is McVeigh's brain : + This is McVeigh's brain on nerve gas: - This is the conversation now going on at the highest levels: *CIA* *PENTAGON* We warned you! Did not! Did so! Did not! SO! NOT! SO! NOT! NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! Kinda sounds like the FBI and the White House, huh? Maybe McVeigh's brain was cooked over there, like so many thousands of others, and the poison's only now draining from his body. =============== Reply 17 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/04 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 1:12 AM Bruce, I'm of the "it's broken so let's clear out the rotten wood and build a brand new structure" school. The original blueprint was fine. Masterful. The problem is with all the additions that have been tacked on since. They are architecturally unsound. The Constitution was not meant to support the weight of an entrenched oligarchy that hoardes most of the wealth and power of the Country. The weight and the wealth must be distributed EVENLY to prevent the structure from collapsing onto the very People it was created to protect. In terms of being "fed up" we're at the stage that one more straw will break the Constitution's back. Then, as they say, all hell will break loose. I wish to prevent this, but failing that, want to assure that the *C*R*A*S*H* will end up liberating the People, not enslaving them. Revolutions are created by People who SUDDENLY give a damn. Folks are apathetic about the misery of others until THEY get bitten, and then its: "to the barricades!" Historians call it the "transformation of quantity into quality," a concept known to poets as the "straw that broke the camel's back." People who have been lulled to sleep, or intimidated into silence, will whip into action once they have been enlightened, shocked and angered at having been used, abused and oppressed. The desire for revenge animates many a Revolution. While once People may have thrown up their hands in disgust and demonstrated their revulsion by "voting with their feet" by not voting, they may soon "vote with their bullet." Rioting occurs in the early stages of Revolution as a means of low intensity warfare. The Boston Tea Party is a case in point. Rioting is often instigated to achieve a political point, but sometimes it is entirely a random venting of pent up outrage. Both of these causes of rioting can and should be addressed by authority. It is the proper job of authority to prevent rioting by either relieving the pressure that could cause a sudden explosion, or by conducting the affairs of State in such manner that there is no NEED to make a political point. A ruling class that fails to take these steps is incompetent and should be removed from power BEFORE tragedy occurs. The real life experience of the late 20th Century is the primrose path to the everlasting bonfire, to coin a phrase. We believe the affluence will last forever but we forget we were much more affluent two generations earlier. That prosperity is what we fought World War Two to achieve, that prosperity should be the standard to which we hold the ruling class. Why should We the People take THEIR word for it? Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, and whenever those who hoard wealth and power say something is "white" we can sure as hell believe it is actually "black." THEY profit from our ignorance. WE will profit from their collapse. =============== Reply 18 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 05/04 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 4:33 AM Rick: Do you have any idea at all as to what led you to these unusual conclusions and dire predictions? I dont mean logically. I suppose if one understood and accepted all your premises, then your conclusions might hang together...but what got you started down this lonely road? Why does it appeal to you? Or do you know? Bruce =============== Reply 19 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/04 From: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Time: 3:23 PM Bruce, I think your annonymous contributor idea is a good one. Anything is worth a try. Richard =============== Reply 20 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 05/04 From: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Time: 3:23 PM I think I get it Rick. McVeigh was bad because he created "bad publicity" for you other "good" revolutionaries. The fact that he murdered hundreds of innocent people, including children is not the problem, its just that pesky bad publicity that causes the rest of us to think that you are a 4 star nut! You and your thoughts of taking the government "out" confuse revolution with the true nature of your ideas -- TREASON!! At least McViegh has the nerve gas for an excuse, what's yours? Why wait Rick? Call the Bureau of Prisons and see if you can reserve a cell now! Be sure and ask for one of the new soft wall models. RAS =============== Reply 21 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/04 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 4:46 PM Stacy: I appreciate your support for this rapidly growing grass roots strategy, but I am really looking for someone to poke a few holes in it, since it seems a little too crazy to be as sound as it seems to be. So far the problem of a trustworthy referee (escrow) has been raised, but I think that is surmountable. I mean if the academy awards doesn't get leaked, why should this? The other "problem" raised is that it will cut down on campaign contribution and spending. Yes, so? I consider that part of the object. Less attack ads. Lastly, someone raised the objection that it would favor billionaires who could contribute as much as they liked of their own money ( by Supreme Court fiat )..and therefore would result in a battle of Warbucks. That objection has some merit, but we have that problem now, and besides, lately the deep pockets guys have not done so well. This raises the question of whether wealth does not carry with it a certain downside of resentment. If this became a real problem, we could always ammend the Constitution. Bruce =============== Reply 22 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/04 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 10:49 PM Please don't turn me in! Please don't turn me into something I'm not. Perhaps I was wrong about the nerve gas thing. Maybe the Pentagon was doing another one of its LSD tests on unwitting victims. Its also possible that agent orange is somehow in- volved. We already know about the radiation experiments "our" government performed on our People, and our People were also subjected to DECADES of a syphilis experiment conducted during SIX administrations. Who's in charge of the government anyway, Joseph Mengele? And these are just the things the government ADMITS. We still don't know the psychological tricks they're doing. The government allows the murder of millions of innocent children every year, and consistently goes into situations where there is NO VIOLENCE, such as Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the Malibu ranch of Donald Scott, and BRINGS violence, death and destruction. AND the government gets away with it. It gets away with it BECAUSE it is the government and can arrange whatever is needed. This is why the People are afraid to stand up to the outrage, they've been thoroughly intimidated from action and indoctrinated into the ways of the New World Order. In Wall Street's gospel, "blessed are the meek for they can be ruled." In Jefferson's gospel, "We hold these Truths to be self- evident..." Which gospel is yours? You already know which one is mine. =============== Reply 23 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/04 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 10:49 PM Bruce, I like surfing the wave of History. I enjoy seeing the big picture, up close, whilst its happening. Rick =============== Reply 24 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/06 From: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Time: 11:53 PM I will never know whether great wealth carrys with it resentment. Richard =============== Reply 25 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 05/06 From: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Time: 11:53 PM All we really know about you Rick is that you are a taco and a side of beans short of a combination plate. I'll bet the ATF if putting nerve gas jets in your sock drawer right now! =============== Reply 26 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/07 From: CWXG96B PEGGY WEBB Time: 0:04 AM I guess you know that Rick reads Readers Digest, don't you? He is so hip! LOL =============== Reply 27 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/07 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 4:16 AM Having had a taste of each, I would say that I was more resentful when I was poorest. Is there some kind of lesson here? Bruce =============== Reply 28 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/08 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 0:11 AM The ATF WAS in town a coupla years ago. Did this MAJOR investigation, very intricate, that took over a year. They had a big criminal with lots of illegal guns right in their grasp, but they stupidly failed to inform the local police that their big bust was happening the next morning. Two local cops hiding in the bushes witnessed a suspected drug transaction and pursued the suspect into the building WHILE the ATF surveilled from outside and shot a 17 year old kid to death. This ruined a meticulous investigation, the morn- ing raid was cancelled and the ATF slouched out of town with its tail between its legs and the criminal still in business. As the saying goes: "support your local police and keep your sock drawer safe for democracy." =============== Reply 29 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 05/08 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 2:36 AM Rick, I used to ridicule policemen until I realized what a LOUSEY cop I would make. It takes a certain type, and I guess I have to be glad that someone will do it. Bruce =============== Reply 30 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/08 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:45 PM I agree, Bruce. Most of the police are good and none of them get paid nearly enough for the job they do and the risks they take. Yet another example of the exploitation of the working class. =============== Reply 31 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 05/09 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 3:54 AM Rick...Go back and read the Manifesto again. Aren't the police supposed to be the hired mercenaries that force the working class into subjugation and subdue the revolutionary spirit? Not important. It isnt going to be on the midterm anyway. B. =============== Reply 32 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/09 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:34 PM Bruce: The methods of subjugation have improved immensely since Victorian times, and especially since the end of WW 2 and the advent of Big Media. The iron fist is now in a silicon glove. See you in English. =============== Reply 33 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Date: 05/10 From: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Time: 4:03 AM Rick.....I will have to be away from the board for awhile....business calls, but did not want you to think you were being ignored. Your posts are always oddly disturbing. There is never enough there to be convincing, but always enough to be disquieting. What a great contribution to good you might be, my man, if only you did not tend to extremes. Bruce =============== Reply 34 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/10 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 10:32 PM <<>> Isn't that what George III said to the signers of the Declaration of Independence? Of course, we know in retrospect the good he was concerned with was his own, and that of his fellow travellers. The Founders looked at it from a fresh perspective. They were open to new perceptions and ready to challenge conventional wisdom. And that, (as Robert Frost once said,) has made all the difference. Just tryin' to keep traditional American values alive, Bruce. Take care, and remember, the opener you keep your mind the younger you'll stay. Rick =============== Reply 35 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 04/24 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 0:11 AM Anyone can rise from humble beginnings to the power elite simply by his willingness to sell out his own People. Ron Brown is an example of this. George Orwell pointed out that the State is made secure by rendering its potential enemies harmless by allowing them to rise. Once the ruling class has captured a bright someone from the masses by allowing him or her wealth, power and fame it becomes unlikely that person will ever do harm to the interests of the State. =============== Reply 36 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: KSTC50D C LIBERTY WEST Date: 04/27 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 8:23 PM There will never be "total ability to vote on every issue." We need to keep the Republican form but have leaders who are on the side of the People, not the special interests and foreign dictators who now bribe the current officeholders. =============== Reply 37 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 04/27 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 8:23 PM Sorry Charlie, but which question (singular) was that? Can't be the "unknown group who command wealth and power." They're not unknown, they fill the business pages every day. Maybe OLIGARCHY is a word not in your vocabulary. Think. (For yourself.) You don't seem to understand about the poor and powerless. They flee criminal regimes that are often, even usually, supported by the corrupt U.S. government. They can live unmolested here and plot the liberation of their homeland. Revolution is legal in America. Everywhere else its a crime. =============== Reply 38 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 04/28 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 8:56 PM Sure, Bruce, everyone's a "people," but the government is supposed to represent the "People." Its the law. The Constitution. Preamble. "We the People." ALL the People. Not just those who have the wealth to push to the head of the line, or buy a place there. Any deviation from the Constitution to give special aid and comfort to the rich and powerful only subverts its INTENT. The intent is quite clear. Read the Preamble. The largest voting bloc is now the non-voters who have withdrawn their consent to be governed. They have seen the fraud in the system and refuse to participate. More power to them! =============== Reply 39 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 04/29 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:01 PM Non-participation in the system is the American equivalent of "voting with their feet." America is the last, best hope of humanity, the end of the line. Last stop for freedom. No more alternatives. No more flight, just surrender or fight. Withdrawing our consent to be governed by not voting is a 100% Right we have under the First Amendment. This is how the MAJORITY of Americans now choose to relate to their governments. The People resent being played for fools. Just yesterday the Supreme Court in a decision written by Herr Rehnquist effectively banned "fusion" tickets, the endorsement by several parties of the same candidate for an office. His reason was "political stability is best served through a healthy two-party system." To the current court the protection of the corrupt major parties is more important than allowing the freest excercise of political association possible. The court is excluding from the political process the right to free association that the Constitution guarantees. A political party is now forbidden from endorsing a candidate who has been picked by another party and so has been denied its right to endorse the candidate of its choice. No wonder we don't vote anymore =============== Reply 40 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 04/30 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:06 PM Bruce, This is how it goes: The MAJORITY of eligible voters in America no longer vote, even in Presidential elections. They don't trust the government or the money drenched political process. Its like cheating on your wife: it proves the honeymoon is over. If the majority of the People don't trust the government that government is no longer legitimate and needs to be overthrown. Its simple logic. You may recall Dan Rather reporting a CBS News/New York Times poll in November 1993: 75% of Americans don't believe the Warren Commission Report. 50% of Americans SPECIFICALLY named the CIA as being behind the assassination. Pretty hair-raising, huh? Maybe this is the same 50% who no longer vote. In any event, how can a government continue when at least half the population sees it as murdering its own democratically elected leader? =============== Reply 41 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/03 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:21 PM Richard, (and Bruce- if he happens to be tuned in) the Constitution I love means what it says, as does the Declaration of Independence. These documents, unique in the history of humanity, grant the People the RIGHT and the MEANS to overthrow the power elite. They form a suicide clause: If we leaders ever stop performing our DUTY, take us out! The American Compact is based on trust. Those who set it in motion knew they wouldn't be around forever to guide it so they created a rational system that would be self-regulating and if some catastrophe of corruption were to befall it, a poison pill would kick in. The Right to Revolution in the Declaration, and the Means to its fulfillment in the Second Amendment, is the Magic Bullet bequeathed to US as a Nation by a Generation of Genius the likes of which this old planet had never experienced before, and has yet to experience again. It would be foolish indeed to sacrifice this legacy because of some act of madness, as Tim McVeigh is accused. Such an event accomplishes nothing but antagonism and bad publicity, and, as we have seen, can be used as a propaganda tool to discredit a Movement MUCH broader than Tim could imagine. From what I've heard of McVeigh, he apparently had a person- ality change while serving in Operation Desert Storm. I know that was a big theater of operation and the nerve gas dump we blew up MAY not have been near McVeigh, but residue and other secondary contact can and does affect many others far away from its original concentration. In other words, McVeigh, and Oklahoma City, may have been victims of Iraqi nerve gas. This is McVeigh's brain : + This is McVeigh's brain on nerve gas: - This is the conversation now going on at the highest levels: *CIA* *PENTAGON* We warned you! Did not! Did so! Did not! SO! NOT! SO! NOT! NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! Kinda sounds like the FBI and the White House, huh? Maybe McVeigh's brain was cooked over there, like so many thousands of others, and the poison's only now draining from his body. =============== Reply 42 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/04 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 1:12 AM Bruce, I'm of the "it's broken so let's clear out the rotten wood and build a brand new structure" school. The original blueprint was fine. Masterful. The problem is with all the additions that have been tacked on since. They are architecturally unsound. The Constitution was not meant to support the weight of an entrenched oligarchy that hoardes most of the wealth and power of the Country. The weight and the wealth must be distributed EVENLY to prevent the structure from collapsing onto the very People it was created to protect. In terms of being "fed up" we're at the stage that one more straw will break the Constitution's back. Then, as they say, all hell will break loose. I wish to prevent this, but failing that, want to assure that the *C*R*A*S*H* will end up liberating the People, not enslaving them. Revolutions are created by People who SUDDENLY give a damn. Folks are apathetic about the misery of others until THEY get bitten, and then its: "to the barricades!" Historians call it the "transformation of quantity into quality," a concept known to poets as the "straw that broke the camel's back." People who have been lulled to sleep, or intimidated into silence, will whip into action once they have been enlightened, shocked and angered at having been used, abused and oppressed. The desire for revenge animates many a Revolution. While once People may have thrown up their hands in disgust and demonstrated their revulsion by "voting with their feet" by not voting, they may soon "vote with their bullet." Rioting occurs in the early stages of Revolution as a means of low intensity warfare. The Boston Tea Party is a case in point. Rioting is often instigated to achieve a political point, but sometimes it is entirely a random venting of pent up outrage. Both of these causes of rioting can and should be addressed by authority. It is the proper job of authority to prevent rioting by either relieving the pressure that could cause a sudden explosion, or by conducting the affairs of State in such manner that there is no NEED to make a political point. A ruling class that fails to take these steps is incompetent and should be removed from power BEFORE tragedy occurs. The real life experience of the late 20th Century is the primrose path to the everlasting bonfire, to coin a phrase. We believe the affluence will last forever but we forget we were much more affluent two generations earlier. That prosperity is what we fought World War Two to achieve, that prosperity should be the standard to which we hold the ruling class. Why should We the People take THEIR word for it? Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, and whenever those who hoard wealth and power say something is "white" we can sure as hell believe it is actually "black." THEY profit from our ignorance. WE will profit from their collapse. =============== Reply 43 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/04 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 10:49 PM Please don't turn me in! Please don't turn me into something I'm not. Perhaps I was wrong about the nerve gas thing. Maybe the Pentagon was doing another one of its LSD tests on unwitting victims. Its also possible that agent orange is somehow in- volved. We already know about the radiation experiments "our" government performed on our People, and our People were also subjected to DECADES of a syphilis experiment conducted during SIX administrations. Who's in charge of the government anyway, Joseph Mengele? And these are just the things the government ADMITS. We still don't know the psychological tricks they're doing. The government allows the murder of millions of innocent children every year, and consistently goes into situations where there is NO VIOLENCE, such as Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the Malibu ranch of Donald Scott, and BRINGS violence, death and destruction. AND the government gets away with it. It gets away with it BECAUSE it is the government and can arrange whatever is needed. This is why the People are afraid to stand up to the outrage, they've been thoroughly intimidated from action and indoctrinated into the ways of the New World Order. In Wall Street's gospel, "blessed are the meek for they can be ruled." In Jefferson's gospel, "We hold these Truths to be self- evident..." Which gospel is yours? You already know which one is mine. =============== Reply 44 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/04 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 10:49 PM Bruce, I like surfing the wave of History. I enjoy seeing the big picture, up close, whilst its happening. Rick =============== Reply 45 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: NTXG09A RICHARD STACY Date: 05/08 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 0:11 AM The ATF WAS in town a coupla years ago. Did this MAJOR investigation, very intricate, that took over a year. They had a big criminal with lots of illegal guns right in their grasp, but they stupidly failed to inform the local police that their big bust was happening the next morning. Two local cops hiding in the bushes witnessed a suspected drug transaction and pursued the suspect into the building WHILE the ATF surveilled from outside and shot a 17 year old kid to death. This ruined a meticulous investigation, the morn- ing raid was cancelled and the ATF slouched out of town with its tail between its legs and the criminal still in business. As the saying goes: "support your local police and keep your sock drawer safe for democracy." =============== Reply 46 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/08 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:45 PM I agree, Bruce. Most of the police are good and none of them get paid nearly enough for the job they do and the risks they take. Yet another example of the exploitation of the working class. =============== Reply 47 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/09 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 11:34 PM Bruce: The methods of subjugation have improved immensely since Victorian times, and especially since the end of WW 2 and the advent of Big Media. The iron fist is now in a silicon glove. See you in English. =============== Reply 48 of Note 1 ================= Board: NEWS BB Topic: IN THE NEWS... Subject: CINCINNATI FASCISM To: DGWP70B BRUCE LOWRY Date: 05/10 From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Time: 10:32 PM <<>> Isn't that what George III said to the signers of the Declaration of Independence? Of course, we know in retrospect the good he was concerned with was his own, and that of his fellow travellers. The Founders looked at it from a fresh perspective. They were open to new perceptions and ready to challenge conventional wisdom. And that, (as Robert Frost once said,) has made all the difference. Just tryin' to keep traditional American values alive, Bruce. Take care, and remember, the opener you keep your mind the younger you'll stay. Rick