=============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: JUVENILE DATA BASE Posted: January 06,1996 16:34:46 To: ETHEL SALTZ (RMXR16A) From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION They turned Oliver Twist into a musical? Dickens must now be spinning in his grave! What chutzpah to sugar coat reality and make the abuse of children by the industrial system into a lighthearted romp of song and dance! And they thought young Mr. Twist displayed chutzpah when he asked, "Please sir, more gruel." Indeed, early Victorian England thought Dickens was Mr. Chutzpah, (until Benjamin D- israeli came along and tried to right the wrongs.) Of Dickens, Dali or Orwell which would you think would crack the most rueful smile at your wish: "I want me to be monitored, thats fine with me?" Besides, aren't ever more juveniles today being tried as adults? Or is it just the Blacks who get put away for long terms while whites walk in- to rehab programs paid for by daddy's insurance? "In Germany they first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up be- cause I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speal up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for ME, and by that time no one was left to speak up." Martin Niemoller Neinguter Bulletin ID: EZA960106163446CHHL71ARMXR16A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: JUVENILE DATA BASE Posted: January 07,1996 09:50:53 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: ETHEL SALTZ (RMXR16A) It's a great musical. And it's true to Oliver Twist. Even more so. Would be a good thing for junior high school kids to see and then discuss. Talking about Disraeli, and right along with your last great and well-known quote which is why I care, I found out this about Herzl, who started political Zionism, he was a successful assimilated Jew who said "antisemitism? Then become a Christian." Then he started reading about the Disraeli affair. It changed him over night into a scared Jewish man. That's exactly how come we've got Israel today. be ahavah ve shalom, MAC-NIET-SPIN-GAL/GARLAND,TX Bulletin ID: EZA960107095053RMXR16ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: JUVENILE DATA BASE Posted: January 07,1996 16:09:18 To: ETHEL SALTZ (RMXR16A) From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Stephen's right. The Dreyfus affair was a French embarass- ment at first, but then the intellectuals saw the light. Disraeli, a Jew, managed to become a long term Prime Minister and favorite of Victoria in a country that while not overtly anti-Semitic was still somewhat hostile to "outsiders." But he did it because of a quirk in history: At the time of Disraeli's birth his father, a disputatious intellectual, was engaged in a bitter feud with his Rabbi, and so just to spite him had the boy baptized into the Anglican Church. The feud was patched up and Disraeli grew up Jewish. Years later when he ran for Parliament people asked him: "How can you run4for office, you're a Jew?" He then whipped out his Certificate of Baptism and said: "This here paper sez I'm Anglican," and the rest, as they say, is History. Bulletin ID: EZA960107160918CHHL71ARMXR16A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: JUVENILE DATA BASE Posted: January 09,1996 00:06:50 To: RICK FARLEY (FTRB61A) From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Luckily, lest we roll out the red carpet for yet more government police power, the "direct action" you mention is illegal. Its called "prior restraint" and is a VERY big Constitutional no-no. Of course the fascists will come up with some smooth PR spiel that will "convince" Americans that such a law is needed. Perhaps they'll point to some 14 year old living on a mountaintop in Idaho and claim he's engaged in a conspiracy to burn down a National Forest. They'll produce "public service" announcements showing Bambi, Smokey the Bear and a spotted owl fleeing in terror from some kid in cammies wielding a zippo. And they will tie it all together with the flag-burning amendment. All very red, but not so very white and blue. Bulletin ID: EZA960109000650CHHL71AFTRB61A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: JUVENILE DATA BASE Posted: January 09,1996 10:21:08 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: RICK FARLEY (FTRB61A) If you would like to learn more about this the offical title is The National Juvenile Firesetter/Arson Control and Prevention Program, FA-147/June1994, grant number 87-JS-CX-K104. It's a four volumn set. Bulletin ID: EZA960109102108FTRB61ACHHL71A