=============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 14,1995 22:41:11 To: ALL From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION California is a great breeding ground for new ideas and movements. It is one of the states that uses the initiative to by-pass corrupt legislators and governors. And it is the home of Props 13 and 187. The current governor has his finger to the wind, always trying to advance his career at the expense of those with little power and wealth. But one potentially powerful and popular issue he WON'T embrace: A pardon for Betty Broderick. Ms. Broderick is the long suffering, abused woman who couldn't take it anymore, snapped, and shot to death her former husband and his new trophy wife. This man was one of those arrogant attorneys who gleefully used his position to subject his exwife to incredible pain and suffering and humiliation, using all the legal tricks, wealth and power at his disposal. He was the head of the Bar Association of San Diego, and was put through both law and medical schools by the selfless Betty who also gave him and raised four lovely children. But after twenty years she became old and shop worn and gained a lot of weight. She was no longer the image this man wanted to project, so he mercilessly divorced her, took her children, and ruthlessly put her through the wringer for opposing him, as only a vengeful lawyer can. The People of California, particularly those who support women's rights and who distrust lawyers, have the POWER to right this perfidious wrong. They can create an initiative that will compel the Governor to give a full pardon for this abandoned woman. Once on the ballot a majority YES vote will force Wilson to do the right thing and right the infamous wrong. And what a popular initiative this will be! What voter could resist signing a petition under the sign: SHOOT A LAWYER, GET A PARDON! And this unmistakable message will be viewed by all lawyers as a declaration of independence by a public revulsed by the evil done by attorneys not only to their wives, but to all People. Why should lawyers continue to get away with this disgusting display of power? We need to show them who's boss and the "SHOOT A LAWYER" initiative is the bulls-eye! Free Betty! Bulletin ID: EZA950814224111CHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 14,1995 23:30:42 To: ALL From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION California is a great breeding ground for new ideas and movements. It is one of the states that uses the initiative to by-pass corrupt legislators and governors. And it is the home of Props 13 and 187. The current governor has his finger to the wind, always trying to advance his career at the expense of those without wealth and connections. But one potentially powerful and popular issue he WON'T embrace: A pardon for Betty Broderick. Ms. Broderick is the long suffering, abused woman who couldn't take it anymore, snapped, and shot to death her former husband and his new trophy wife. This man was one of those arrogant attorneys who gleefully used his position to inflict on his wife incredible pain, suffering and humiliation, using all the legal tricks, wealth and power at his disposal. He was the head of the San Diego Bar Association, and was put through both law and medical school by the selfless Betty who also gave him and raised four wonderful children. But after twenty years she became old and shop-worn and gained a lot of weight. She was no longer the image this "man" wanted to project, so he mercilessly divorced her, took her children, and then ruthlessly put her through the wringer for daring to oppose him, as only a vengeful lawyer can do. The People of California, particularly those who support women's rights and who distrust lawyers, have the POWER to right this perfidious wrong. They can create an initiative that will compel the Governor to give a full pardon to this abandoned woman. Once on the ballot a majority YES vote will force Wilson to do the right thing and right this infamous wrong. And what a popular initiative this will be! What voter can resist signing a petition under the sign: SHOOT A LAWYER, GET A PARDON! And this unmistakable message will be viewed by all lawyers as a declaration of independence by a public revolted by the evil done by attorneys not only to their wives, but also to all People.>>> Why should lawyers continue to get away with this disgusting display of power? We the People need to show them who's the boss and the "SHOOT A LAWYER" initiative is the bulls-eye! Free Betty! Bulletin ID: EZA950814233042CHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 15,1995 13:36:25 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: WALTER SALES (VGPP04A) Rick, What happened to you? Did some lawyer get the best of you because you were wrong or weren't smart enough to hire yourself a good lawyer? Have you done a poll to see how many lawyers have left their spouses high and dry after they have become "shopworn." You act as if this is typical conduct, which it isn't, and even if it were that this lawyer's life became forfeited as a result. I eschew ad hominem attacks, but excuse me, you sound like a moron. Walter Bulletin ID: EZA950815133625VGPP04ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 15,1995 01:24:01 T T REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: KENNETH GARDNER (ZCPH93A) You can't be serious. If, however, you are, that has got to be one of the dumbest -- and most vicious -- posts I have seen on this BB. Ken "But if all are alike both wrong and right, one who is in this condition will not be able either to speak or to say anything intelligible; for he says at the same time both 'yes' and 'n'n' And if he makes no judgment but 'thinks'and 'does not think,' indifferently, what difference will there be between him and a vegetable?" Aristotle Bulletin ID: EZA950815012401ZCPH93ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 16,1995 21:01:53 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: RICHARD CARROLL (BKHS16A) betty was an extremely violent women...i believe she is in jail where she belongs. no situation outside of physical self defense calls for the actions she took. her husband was a scumbag, but it still doesn't justify his murder or that of his new wife. best regards rich Bulletin ID: EZA950816210153BKHS16ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 16,1995 20:35:09 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: CHARLES BARRINGER (MRGP03A) Rick: If it meant only "Shoot a Lawyer," I'd vote yes. If it means FREE BETTY - NO, NO, a thousand times NO! There's no excuse for murder: P E R I O D. She got what she deserved.... She could have walked away - sued - done a lot of other things, but NOT murder. C.B. in L.A. + Licorice BlackCat (SMILE) Bulletin ID: EZA950816203509MRGP03ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 16,1995 22:29:17 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: ANDREW FINE (WHHS31A) Why is it that so many losers whine about being what they are, losers, instead of working hard to become winners. If you're not a lawyer or a doctor or a power broker, live with it. We all choose our way in life, we all choose whether to be a winner or a loser. Perhaps you could use your efforts toward making yourself a winner instead of wasting time trying to tear winners down to your level. As for women, it is a sad truism in life that a young, pretty woman has life by the tail. And as she ages, and as she loses her youth and sometimes her beauty, she oftentimes becomes bitter and bithc** and the tables are turned. If there was never love to begin with, but only lust, is it any surprise such women are usually left behind by their successful husbands? Andy Bulletin ID: EZA950816222917WHHS31ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 16,1995 20:11:27 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: G SILVERDAHL SR (VAJU98A) Yea! Free Betty! Free Betty! Free Betty! And then shoot some more o' dem Lawyuhs.... jus' wanted ta ha' s s fun....... I really am on Betty's side with this. Bulletin ID: EZA950816262127VAJU98ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 17,1995 14:25:25 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: TERI JONES (TBDG68D) Dear Mr. Gombas: Please don't "free Betty"--any person who has killed once is more likely to kill again. Who knows who will be her next victim. I like living. Keep murders in jail. In fact, I support the death penalty because no executed murderer has ever escaped or was paroled from the grave to kill again. Teri @tbdg68d Bulletin ID: EZA950817142525TBDG68DCHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 18,1995 23:31:06 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: DEAN SPEIR (NTRE46B) O, My Stars! This is the worst piece of revisionist garbage I've read since the Third Reich went up in flames! Betty Broderick is a wanton and willful murderer, who invaded a home and slaughtered two people, including the father of her progeny. The crime was investigated, the trial was held, and the woman was found guilty by a jury of her peers... this was not self-defense, nor was there any sort of "Twinkie" defense! She's a murderess, and she's in jail where she belongs, sob story withstanding. Sheesh! Only in California, only on Prodigy's NEWS BB! - Dean, off-line with PBB Note Manager Bulletin ID: EZA950818233106NTRE46BCHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 25,1995 23:14:22 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: JAMES CATE (TYCP98A) Lawyers don't enjoy very much public confidence or respect. But it was interesting that a recent opinion poll placed the NRA below even lawyers with respect to being worthy of public trust. Teachers were first, followed by police, clergymen, big business, etc, followed by politicians and lawyers, followed at the very last by the NRA. Interesting that the views expressed on this board are so skewed from those of the public at large. -- Sort of like whistling in the dark, and "thou doest protest too much." -- If you really felt sure of your position, you wouldn't be so worried that some moderate like me might make some points which you didn't come back on. The NRAheads on this board are among the most sensitive, defensive people on any Prodigy board. -- They like to dish it out, but they sure hit the roof when we moderates come along and call their bluff. Cate Bulletin ID: EZA950825231422TYCP98ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 27,1995 18:53:46 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: JAMES CATE (TYCP98A) Rick, I try to post substantive notes about the Second Amendment, and to include direct quotes from the appellate court decisions and the standard legal encyclopedias and texts, so that folks can look up the cases and articles and check them out if they want to. Occassionally, I will cite one of the polls the seems to be relevant. One of the fallacies I see regarding the case law is the interpretation that the law is simply whatever the latest decision says it its, regardless of precident. This simply isnt' so. The problem is that the media exaggerates the rare cases in which clarifications of the constitution appear to infer a major change. In reality, the courts are very conservative, and rarely make a 180 degree change from past decisions. Regarding the Second Amendment, their decisions are quite consistent, and over and over again gunners claiming Second Amendment rights apart from a relationship with a "well-regulated militia" have been turned down. Despite the propaganda issued by the gun lobby about cases such as Verdugo, the decisions against the gunners just keep rolling along, one after another. Jim Bulletin ID: EZA950827185346TYCP98ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 27,1995 17:17:58 To: JAMES CATE (TYCP98A) From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION James, You seem to know me from somewhere else, but if I didn't reply to your criticism it was either because I didn't see it or because it didn't hold a promise for expansion. You seem to be prejudiced against "NRAheads" and such bigotry usually doesn't allow intelligent discussion. You seem to like opinion polls. To paraphrase Mark Twain: "There are lies, damned lies and opinion polls." The BEST opinion poll I have ever seen was the one reported by Dan Rather on CBS on November 21, 1993.>>> CBS/NY Times poll: 75% of Americans do not believe the Warren Commission findings that there was no conspiracy. (in other words they don't trust the government.) 50% of Americans, according to this poll, SPECIFICALLY named the CIA as being behind the assassination. Maybe this is the same 50% of Americans who no longer bother to vote, but what Rather DIDN'T report, after the O.K. bombing is that if such a large number of Americans can believe a part of the government can kill the President, then why can't a part of the government blow up a building? If 75% of the public believe Oswald was innocent, or a patsy or part of the conspiracy, then it is REASONABLE, not paranoid, for the average American to believe the government is evil. After all we've seen what the government has done to People of color, Blacks, Native, Hispanics, and we see what the government is now doing to the middle class. A tiny core of super rich Wall Streeters is now controlling us economically and the Second Amendment is all that stands between a free America and a corporatized America. Concentration of wealth in Wall Street is just as un-democratic as concentration of power in Washington. The right to keep and bear arms is the right to Revolution. Bulletin ID: EZA950827171758CHHL71ATYCP98A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 29,1995 22:59:24 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: MARK STANG (SVYH29A) Seems like this whole mess could have been avoided if good old Betty had spent a few hours a week at the health club. Bulletin ID: EZA950829225924SVYH29ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 29,1995 00:50:0: To: JAMES CATE (TYCP98A) From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION James, corrupt legislators nominate and appoint corrupt judges. The magistrates of colonial America were the same way. They consistently sided with the British ruling class against the People, and when the People got sick of it, the People made a Revolution. The Constitution states the right to keep and bear arms. The Declaration of Independence states the right to Revolution. No judge can change this. Bulletin ID: EZA950829005017CHHL71ATYCP98A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: August 30,1995 02:19:18 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: JAMES CATE (TYCP98A) Rick, thahas not all it says. It also says that the purpose and need for the amendment is to permit the preservation of the security of THE STATE, (not of individuals) by means of the "well-REGULATED militia." It DOES NOT say that there is any need for individual rights to bear arms for self defense. Jim Bulletin ID: EZA950830021918TYCP98ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 01,1995 17:02:42 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: BARBARA BLAIR (UUHG63A) If your interested in the Broderick Case.. Id suggest reading the 12th of Never...by Bella Stumbo.. and exceptyonally fascinating book.. One of the most unfair ones I yet to read about is the Jeffrey McDonald case.. After trudging thru Fatal Justice and hearing the pros actually say on a tv show that he felt no ogligation to turn over the pros evidence... this guy should get a new trial.. He may be guilty.. but he certainly in no way imo got a fair trial.. B. Bulletin ID: EZA950901170242UUHG63ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 06,1995 00:24:44 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: GEORGE CULLINS (CGAF68A) Rick: You forgot to mention props 8, 108, 115 and 140. All of those are victims rights initiatives passed by the people to send a message to our political group in Sacramento that there is change needed. But they don't listen and worry about a bird not having a place to have sex. Rich is has been said here a couple times but let me state it again. we as individuals can not take the law into our hands and in the dead of the night blow those we don't like away. If everything you have stated was Dan's fault, why did the kids take his position against Betty?. when we allow ourselves to bloat and our mouths become vermin most people will look for a more pleasent surrounding. like it or not. Bulletin ID: EZA950906002444CGAF68ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 09,1995 16:35:54 To: TOM BALLARD (LXNN30A) From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION The power over the Supreme Court is part of the "checks and balances." If the Congress doesn't like a decision, say the one against term limits, the Congress can initiate a Constitutional Amendment. The Congress is already doing this with the flag burning amendment. If the Congress won't act to support the Right of the States to limit Congressional terms, the State Legislatures can do an end run around BOTH the Congress and Supreme Court by calling for a Constitutional Convention to accomplish the>>> Will of the People. If the Popular Will is still thwarted the People can exercise their right clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence to VIOLENTLY overthrow the government and create a new one that will serve the People. Judges aren't dictators, they are flesh and blood, and should always be treated with that fact in mind. If they insist on being dictators, enforcing corrupt laws passed by corrupt lawmakers, then We the People should deal with them as we have with dictators in the past. Bulletin ID: EZA950909163554CHHL71ALXNN30A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 10,1995 20:56:57 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: TOM BALLARD (LXNN30A) If judges enforce "corrupt laws" made by "corrupt lawmakers", then maybe you should take that up with the voters that ELECTED those lawmakers. Unless you think the voters are corrupt as well. Question: Is everyone you disagree with "corrupt"? Bulletin ID: EZA950910205657LXNN30ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 11,1995 21:17:42 To: TOM BALLARD (LXNN30A) From: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION Tom, voters aren't corrupt, they've just been misled by a corrupt system that packages and markets political candidates with Madison Avenue techniques. Before the TV era voters were able to think independently. Now they are herded en masse like cattle with Willie Horton type TV ads that appeal to the emotions and FEAR rather thana thoughtful decision making prcess. The corrupt leaders of BOTH parties do not want voters to think, just react to shallow stimuli. It is the vastly expensive tv ads that cause candidates of BOTH parties to cozy up to the monied corporate interests. Corporations sure don't want people to think. People who think realize there is no rational reason why a corporation should lay off workers and move operations to cheap labor third world countries just to save the cash to pay the greedy executives $2,000,000 per year instead of a completely reasonable $250,000. Concentration of wealth in Wall Street is just as debilitating to American democracy as is the concentration of power in Washington. The People do not benefit from this corrupt system. It is the wealth of Wall Street that creates the power of Washington, but the People's attention is so sidetracked by trivial issues they don't see the true threat. Politicians, of course, love this because they know as long as the People remain ignorant the Wall Street bucks will continue to flow and they will remain in power. Over twenty years ago congress outlawed tobacco advertising from tv. Why won't they do the same with political ads? Bulletin ID: EZA950911211742CHHL71ALXNN30A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 12,1995 23:37:12 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: TOM BALLARD (LXNN30A) The most corrupt adminstration in US history (that of President Grant) was before TV. So was the spectre of a president having an illegitimate child (Grover Cleveland). So were the most inept presidents (Millard Fillmore and Andrew Johnson). All back before TV, when voters were "independent". Actually, voters now are more well-informed than they ever have been. If CNN does not give you the picture, tune in to CBS, or Rush Limbaugh, or Pat Robertson, or Larry King. Bulletin ID: EZA950912233712LXNN30ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 12,1995 21:40:43 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: CARL ODOM (LGJA28A) A poll not too long ago indicated that 20% of Americans can't locate the Pacific Ocean on a map. Might this level of "intelligence" explain somewhat the guys who get elected in our judicial system? Bulletin ID: EZA950912214043LGJA28ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 12,1995 19:34:18 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: MICHAEL BOGDANIK (BFXD10A) Rick: It would be a terrible waste to "Shoot A Lawyer." Here in Florida they make excellent shark bait--but it works much better if they are alive! Michael. Bulletin ID: EZA950912193418BFXD10ACHHL71A =============================================================================== Board: NEWS BB Subject: SHOOT A LAWYER Posted: September 13,1995 21:16:36 To: REVOLUTIONSOLUTION From: CARL ODOM (LGJA28A) Smith Corona closed its NY plant and moved to Mexico. Why? They felt duty-bound to at least try to save the company from going belly-up, which it did anyway. So the move was to save itself and not to pay its execs 2 mil/year. Your views of Wall Street are inaccurate and naive. nd as for outlawing political ads, that would give the incumbants a greater advantage than they already have. Bulletin ID: EZA950913211636LGJA28ACHHL71A